Osho on Islam
Monday, June 21, 2010
My 27 year-old son was just visiting. He was here for a week. Of course, I talked about Islamic supremacism quite a bit, and being 27 (and from Southern California), my son was trying to find every way he could to not believe it. I could tell from his responses that he was thinking, "This can't be true; Dad must be exaggerating or reading only a small fringe source of information or something."
One night as we were talking, he got on my laptop and asked me, "How do you spell Mohammad?" And then, "How do you spell Qur'an?" I didn't know what he was doing, but then he said, "I'll be damned."
He was looking on Osho's web site. He is a big fan of Osho, a spiritual teacher from India who writes on every religion, revealing the shared, universal, spiritual nature at the core of every religion (or as we found out, almost every religion).
My son assumed that since Osho has written a book on every religion (and praised the core teachings of every one of them), Osho must have written one on Islam, and my son was going to read it and get "the other side of the story." But what he found was that Osho has not written about Islam, and not only that, he explained why he hasn't. Here is what Osho said:
Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine percent rubbish. You can just open the book anywhere and read it, and you will be convinced of what I am saying. I am not saying on a certain page — anywhere. You just open the book accidentally, read the page and you will be convinced of what I am saying.
Whatsoever one percent truth there is here and there in the Koran is not Mohammed's. It is just ordinary, ancient wisdom that uneducated people collect easily — more easily than the educated people, because educated people have far better sources of information — books, libraries, universities, scholars. The uneducated, simply by hearing the old people, collect a few words of wisdom here and there. And those words are significant, because for thousands of years they have been tested and found somehow true. So it is the wisdom of the ages that is scattered here and there; otherwise, it is the most ordinary book possible in the world.
Muslims have been asking me, "Why don't you speak on the Koran? You have spoken on The Bible, on the Gita, this and that." I could not say to them that it is all rubbish; I simply went on postponing. Even just before I went into silence, a Muslim scholar sent the latest English version of the Koran, praying me to speak on it. But now I have to say that it is all rubbish, that is why I have not spoken on it — because why unnecessarily waste time?
- From Unconciousness to Consciousness
Chapter 5 by Osho
To those of us who study Islam, this is very mild criticism, but coming from Osho, it is severe and harsh, and made an impression on my son.
79 comments:
if, u're a reader of Osho, i may take the liberty of assuming that u have an open mind ready for discussions based on reason and argument. Beloved Osho has counted the beloved Prophet amongst the great Enlightened Masters on several occassions (plz. see- his talk on vegetarianism available on youtube). Whatever he said was never out of bitterness or ill-will (it can be seen and understood from the manner of his speaking). He only wanted to emphasize that is truth is to be realized, one should be ready for enquiry and should not believe in anything, unless it is supported by thier own experience. He has reiterated several times that language always remains inadequate to express the ultimate truth. We cannot understand even ordinary things in absence of actual experience, what to say of the ultimate truth? can we ever explain to a child what red, blue or green mean until he himself sees those colors? This is the problem with even the most modern and sophisticated languages. Nevertheless, different masters have different ways of explaining things. Beloved Prophet may have been talking in terms understandable to his contemporary people. But perhaps, Sufi Masters understood him better and beloved Osho has spoken at length on the beauty of sufism.
Osho was great mind , yet he needed to be more greatness to understand the dignity and truthfulness of Prophet (SAW) and Holy Quran. Reading his comment , i am really feeling pity on him, that he died too early to have his mind evolved to that level where he could understand that what is truth and what rubbish is . Though i have read many of books of OSHO and agreed with his philosophy to some extent but yet he is still immature mind.Regards Micheal frank.
Great Philosopher OSHO rightly said Kuran is rubbish. Now well wise muslim thinkers like Salman rushdie, Anwar shaikh, Jahed Ahmad, Ali Sina etc come forward and show exact picture of mohmmad and his made islam.
As far as sufism is concern it is against of islamic teachings and sufism is highly affected by Hinduism and pre-islamic worship of God.
http://therealislam1.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/sufism/
beloved osho said just don't believe in me.Try my methods & see what happens.I tried osho methods & I am thankful to him because I am at joy now.I tried many of the literature but could not satisfied me.I just tried osho & everything happened.
Osho is absolutely right when he said Quran is all rubbish. I personally have read it several times and even after my best efforts I could hardly find anything that could be termed wise. People born in that religion are brough up in a belief system which makes them to believe that it is the word of god. If they can keep aside their faith (which they can just not do due to their upbringing)they will realize that all that the holy quran contains is nothing except threatening the non-believers with dire consequences, venting ire at Jews and asking his followers to kill them and providing special privileges and 'packages' by Allah to Muhammad as he is the prophet.
Every surah of 114 chapters contains nothing but warnings, threats to non-believers and only the attempts to convince and convert them into his faith.
I pity osho for his failure here and hereafter...people have created much ado about him... I feel that he was a psycho... The holy Qur'an is the best possible scripture present in this universe and has been tested by times and he was not worth enough to read it...
Had he been spritual enough, he would not have died of ailments like diabetes and even suspectedd HIV infection... Had his methods been so fruitful , he would not died at a mere age of 58 when the average age of a man is more than 70 years... The fact is that he was a bioterrorist , a sexist , a drug addict and so on...
what a silly reasoning!! Jeasus (believed by muslims a a prophet) died at the age of 33, and in more a pathetic way). If the years living is the criteria for greatness, perhaps the turtile could be greater than Jeasus, Mohammad, and probably Osho; because it lives well over a 500 years.
dear readers,
understand, islam is not a religion it is a way of life i had gone through lot of oshos books but islam is more clear than that.islam has said the man kind to think .quran shows straight path for the people who thinks. sufism in islam has not came from indian myths there where lots of sufis in the very earlier period after mohhammed (saw) .
Islam is bullshit although one can find many things to admire in Sufi faith. Quran is venom, hatred and threat personified. Nothing of value for any sensible being in it. Mohammed undoubtedly must have been high on Hasheesh and Marijuana in that cave of his in the mountain which turned all the crap in his illiterate head into poetry. Second largest religion in the name of THIS poetry is definitely some kind of joke!
Unless one continue to celebrate a festival like bakrid, there will always be a question mark on the religion of Islam. i cannot imagine, that there can be a religion, which celebrates bakrid by mercilessly killing animals, in REMEMBRANCE of ibrahims sacrifice of his son ismail. ismail was part of abrahims heart, and he was ready to sacrifice his son towards the higher principle of life. now please tell me , do you feel that the goats, cows , camel you kill, ARE THEY PART OF YOUR BEING, PART OF YOUR HEART ?
osho was great mind & tremendous philosopher.He has been matured.He talked about massive religions except Islam.osho said whenever i peep out in islam there were nothing..jihad was the importnat source of islam to loot the world.speciely islam curb the reasoning faculty.the is not freedom to awake your self.if one does not surrender on Islam. it is said to Kaffir..recently.we have been saying that there r so many Muslims who r killing the people in world at the name of jihad.
islam's followers say Hindus, Christians,Buddhist, Jews r kaffir.Muslims r killing.ther r so mnay sacts which contradects on another.if Koran is clear why so many islamists who r misguides by the book.
there is not freedom & liberaty in islam.
that is why
osho & gandhi said there is nothing to say.
jihad. khon ka badla khon etc..
i feel pity and sorry for the sentiments of muslims,their love only for one thing that is allah or prophet.they hav locked their sence of reasoning and rational thinking.,how can it help in creating a more joyous society wher everyone is together and every religion is respected. here in this blog i see after reading many muslim friends,i come to conclusion that here or anywher in the world theres no muslim who can understand the drawbacs of their own religion and has the courage to stand against this religion.this religion has destroyed humanity in the name of religion,which is just a fictious phenomenon,by some ancient fellow. d in what way it has effected humanity,every time i see killing in the name of jihad,thers no liberty no freedom,women r caged behind veils like a pet bird wher only the master has control.theres only one thing which islam likes is blood it seems.
this ancient religion has started with the barbaric foundation of bloodshed and the same image u can see here in this century or more centuries to come.it has brainwashed so many people in to hatred.thers absolutely no change in the peoples mentality,and has made them promote hatred,then how come this so called religion promote hatred.its high time that religions which promote hatred revieve themselves and start looking this beautiful world with a clear eye,tht eye of ones OWN personal realisation,that is the ultimate truth.
islam belief is only allah then why so much reliability on that book??? giving such a great importance to that book itself contradicts the belief of islam. it is surely not written by allah himself then y such an admiration...??
in koran there things we all should lookat it
1. man can beat thier wives.
2.A man may marry four wives
3. A man can marry a girl who hasn't reached puberty.
4. A man can have sex with prisoners of war.
5. A man may marry the wife of his adopted son.
6. A woman's witness testimony is half of that of a man's.
7. Fight non-Muslims.
this koran is a crap...osho was right... this is poison which has spread all over the world...
Osho is for Muhammad and not for Quran, because it's a dead book written by others, and Muhammad was a lively master, the real master, as simple as that. If you love Osho in the first place, you don't have anything to do with Quran or Muhammad or Buddha or anyone. Coz the only thing you have to do is with you and your search, but no one else's. If you need affirmation from Osho, then you've never admired him and missed the whole point.
Osho : Intuition cannot be explained scientifically because the very phenomenon is unscientific and irrational. The very phenomenon of intuition is irrational.
For example, Mohammed was an illiterate person. No one knew about him; no one ever felt that such a great thing as the Koran could come out of him. There was not a single act, not a single thought, that was special about him; he was just an ordinary man – absolutely ordinary. No one ever felt that something extraordinary was possible in him. Then, suddenly, this parable is recorded: An angel appeared to Mohammed and said, ”Read!”
Mohammed said to him, ”How can I read? I do not know how; I cannot read, I am illiterate.”
The angel repeated again, ”Read!”
Mohammed again said, ”But how can I read? I do not know anything about reading.”
Then the angel said, ”Read! By the grace of God, you will be able.” And Mohammed began to read. This is intuition.
He returned to his house trembling, trembling because he could not conceive of what had happened. He could read – and he had read something inconceivable. The first ayat of the Koran had been given to him. He could not understand it because nothing in his whole past related to it. He could not feel the meaning of it; he had become the vehicle for something that was unrelated to his past, absolutely unrelated.
Something from the unknown had penetrated him. It might have been related to something else, to someone else, but it did not relate to Mohammed at all. This is the penetration. He came into his house trembling, he felt feverish; he just went on thinking, ”What has happened?”
He was unable to understand what had happened, and for three days he was in deep fever, trembling, because there was no cause for what had occurred. He could not even gather the courage to say something to anyone. He was an illiterate: who was going to believe him? He himself could not believe what had happened; it was unbelievable.
After three days of deep fever, coma, unconsciousness, he gathered the courage to tell his wife, but only under the condition that she not tell anyone else. ”It seems that I have gone mad,” he said. But his wife was older than he was and more learned. She was forty and Mohammed was twenty-six; she was a rich woman, a rich widow. She felt that something real had happened, and she was Mohammed’s first convert.
Only then could Mohammed get up the nerve to speak to some friends and relatives. Whenever he would speak he would tremble, perspire, because what was happening was inconceivable. That is why Mohammed insisted – and this became a tenet, a foundational tenet of Islam – that ”I am not divine; I am nothing special. I am not extraordinary, I am just a vehicle.”
This is what is meant by surrender and nothing else – nothing else! The postman just delivers the message to you; you yourself cannot even understand it. This is intuition.
I think Osho is somewhat right but he is a bit harsh too....But still I respect him because he is always for truth...I think Islam is really a BIG PRISON....it would have suited the stupid people of the past...but definitely it is not the religion for a REALLY FREE INTELLIGENT Person of today....let me try it...
1.Why do we slaughter a goat in the name of Allah?...On one hand we say that He is all Merciful and on the other He is asking us to butcher a goat for Him.....so either Allah is not merciful or Muhammad is stupid!!!!!
2.Why is Muhammad so much concerned about my p****s accumulating dirt, and not about my mind accumulating violence,greed,lust,anger and all that real dirt?
3.Is celibacy harmful for spirituality?....Is Allah so kind to me that He would be angered if I do not marry and have sex with a woman?...Or is Allah not intelligent enough to see my happiness and freedom before His Will?
4.How many muslims understand the language of Koran?...Or so to say,how many know the meaning of Love,Affection,Happiness?.....It is better for the Imam to talk about these qualities on the mic rather than foolishly spreading noise pollution shouting Allah hun Akbar day and night.....!!!!!!
5.Jihad.....Why is Allah so egoistic that He wants to kill everyone who does not believe in Him?.....And we Muslims are so stupid that we don't understand that all this is just crap....nowhere near religion...
6.When we are born, do we sign an agreement with Allah that we are muslims....and we are proud to be muslims....I would rather be happy being a non-Muslim and a HUMANIST.......
7.Has anyone tried to find out if science has proven anything about existence of Allah....Osho is right...He has rightly identified that Muhammad had no knowledge of his own....he was simply collecting some truths about God through other sources.....People who have had the experiences of Infinitude have completely denied the existence of a person named Allah sitting out there...He is ....but He is not a person...He is an Infinite vaccuum....and He is completely against all these HYPOCRITIC teaching....I would love to die for HUMANITY than to die for the so called Merciful Allah.....
8.Who is better- the voice of our conscience or the rubbish Koran and Muhammad?Is Mohammad more intelligent than my own Intelligence?
9.Do you Know that non-vegetarian diet makes us violent?And hence it is not surprising that most of the terrorists are Muslims...because it is the religion which supports non-veg food....when you don't mercy the life of an animal....how can you mercy the life of a human?
Ther are many more,but I would like to stop now.......
Islam might have suited those stupids of the past...but definitely it is a Big Crap...It can't stand the logic and reason of science....I am proud to have converted form Islam to HUMANISM....and would like to appeal my dear brothers and sisters to understand this conspiracy of the foolish priests....After all there is a limit to stupidity and dumbness my friends........
With Love...
Dear friends,
I dont think that any religion is complete.All religions have their drawbacks and people are fighting to defeat one religion and protect their own.
If you will spend some time meditating upon this thought - "Who I am?"
All these religions will make no sense.
Religion was only a method developed by ancestors to bring peace inside and harmony outside.
But see our own interpretation, how misleading!!Before believing anything first give it a thought.
Blindly following what is said is perfect foolishness.
True religion is not following rituals, praying,engaging in hypocrisy etc etc. True religion is service to the mankind, being equanimous with people despite their background, religion or country.
One day is going to come when people will rise above this religious skepticism and the true meaning of religion will arise.
I am not against Islam but few of its practices are cruel.People should avoid that. I also dont support hinduism as it has lost its true context in which it was compiled. Only prententious practices are left, which are not going to help anyone.
We are living in 21st century and it is quite good to see people are engaging in open religious discussions.
"WITH DISCUSSION, IDEAS WILL ARISE.
WITH IDEAS THINKING WILL EXPAND AND WHEN THINKING WILL EXPAND, MIND WILL EVOLVE. THE SELF WILL EVOLVE AS A CONSEQUENCE."
-NEERAJ KUMAR
before reading these article i had some good thoughts about Osho but now(if these are his words about Islam) i feel very sorry about him and his highest possible ignorance about Islam.In fact Islam is such a great religion that these (truly rubbish) comments cannot even have slight effect on its worldwide acceptance and growth.Islam itself means PEACE and the holy Qur'an guides the humanity to an enlightened path if you truly undestand.
I don't know how you reconcile the 527 unabrogated passages in the Koran that promote intolerance toward non-Muslims with your belief that Islam is enlightened.
Here are the unabrogated passages:
http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2011/04/intolerance-toward-non-muslims-in-quran.html
Only fools choose paradise and die for it. I am driving a Range Rover here in earth while these dead religions still offers a bullockcart in paradise!!!. What luxury is offering these so called religions in paradise compared to this beautifulll earth!! No electricity , no cell phone, no films, no air conditioners, no death, and not even anus!!! Koran offers most tasty food in paradise but no anus!!! Can u think 2days of conspitation!!! ,then a life without death!!!!
I wonder how you said that the 527 passages in the Holy Qur'an promotes intolerence towards non-muslims? You should know the whole situation in which it is said. It is addressed to the non-beleivers who are atheist and blocking the path of truth and justice with their wrong-doings. If this is intolerence then how can we justify Krishna of mahabharata in Gita, which is many many times more intolerent in that sense. Dear brother,Islam's first call is forgiveness and then self defence.Brother, fools does'nt choose paradise and die for it but they choose hell andlive for it. All the luxury you stated of Range Rover, electricity, cell phone, films, AC etc. Are petty objects for heaven if you have truly known it. Half knowledge leads to ignorance. Islam is the best religion and complete way of life existing on this earth.And is the the blessings of the Almighty to the humanity. Though some of its so called followers have done wrong which is very painfuland opposite to Islamic principles, but we should know that there had been always some wrong doers in every time which we often address as Hitler, terrorist, maoist, LTTE, Naxalite etc. I am not saying all this with any bias but through thorough study and experience. We should accept the whole truth which alone can benefit us. We are little childrens of the Almighty GOD with little knowledge being given. We all have to return to HIM one day and will be accountable to every speech we utter.WISHING GOOD TO ALL!!!
Only a man like OSHO can talk abt islam, he is greatly for Muhammed not for muslims r islam r quran. Only a man like osho can understand Muhammed, ppl like Zakir Naik r egoist ppl who try to show off their religion is the best n highest of all, like christians hav done it with bible n christ.
islam is evil it should be eliminated from the face of earth for humen and humanity . all muhammad follower needed crual treatment.islam play as HIV virus for humen civilisation as like HIV virus functioning in humen body .liberal attitude towards islam is a blunder mistake of non-muslims.
Islam is a complete scrap religion! ISLAM - VIOLENCE = BIG ZERO! In the holy book, it is mentioned about raping women! In Hindu, Christain religions women are treated as mothers, sisters! And in Islam, Mohammed downgraded women to such an extent that in Saudi Arabia even a rape charge requires consent of a man! Women should always wear a BLACK burkha entire life time! Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar said the saddest creature on this planet earth is Muslim women! So, much to say...
Islam is light.Islam is virtue.Islam is truth.Islam is enlightened..Islam is the blissful way of life.One who curses islam is not worthy to be called a human being.They are not even worthy to be called an animal.They are the bloody agents of SATAN who are deaf,dumb and blind and are covered with illiteracy and ignorance from head to toe.Surely KAFIRS will go to their final and permanent home i.e. Hell after their terrible death and will repent forever.We Muslims are very proud to be a Muslim and even more proud and grateful to THE ALMIGHTY for not being a non-muslim.ISLAM ZINDABAD.
Islam gives respect to women so much that it says the garden of paradise is under mother's feet.This is the highest possible state of dignity for any woman in any religion.All others are stripping her naked in one form or other in the name of women's liberty.Please read the whole QURA'N carefully and have proper knowledge before making foolish comments against ISLAM-The fastest growing religion on earth by the grace of ALLAH-THE ALMIGHTY
I don't understand that if people have got the truth then why to justify???? Let it justify you. If it is what truth is all about..
It seems people are just defending what is truth. But I feel they are defending themselves, they are somewhat afraid which is their very defeat in front of their own eyes. They just want to prove that they are doing good. Good and bad is nothing but our interpretations about the act. Acts don't have that quality of being good or bad, but the interpretations which are the by product of these so called holy books. We need to be ourselves, rather being blind and accept what we have to do blindly even without our consent.
This kind of stuff is only needed if we are born insane. Let us all see and know our inner self.
I understand where you are coming from, Naveed. And what you say is completely valid from a religious point of view. However, Islam is only partly religious. It is more political than religious. In other words, more of the Koran is about what to do with non-Muslims than it is about what Muslims should do for themselves.
Since it says non-Muslims should be treated badly, and since some Muslims are following this advice, then non-Muslims don't like this and wish to alert their foolish fellow non-Muslims who don't understand that Islam's doctrine is political and supremacist.
I always against false claims that made in any religions, OSHO, rightly said all your GOD generated from your fears and requirement, your GOD should generate from love, truth and peace....
Have always been amazed by the amount of hate people have for Islam it is as I it teases them for some reason.... A Christian friend of mine was asking about Islam honestly he was too scared of it that he was even scared to enter the mosque...
Our imam or preacher wanted to preach him ( you know how religious men are) so my friend said ( I don't want to hear anything but do you have a book???) imam said yes and he handed him a book written in English( holy quraan) my friend read it... And I know that one didn't say this was rubbish! He now preaches... I guess he is more committed to islam than I am
People bash Islam as if it is mohammad's religion they forget that it is an abrahamic faith... Abraham believed in one god and submitted to him... Isaac... Jacob... Noah... Joseph...Moses... Solomon... David... Hud...jesus...John...zakariya...umran... Maryam they were all believers submitting to god and we gave their faith different names that keeps all apart...
Good luck...Maryam
THE QURAN is Islam's most holy book. Sixty-one percent of the Quran is about non-Muslims. Writings about what Muslims should do is religious. Writings about what non-Muslims should do or how Muslims should deal with non-Muslims is political (read more about this). Therefore, based on Islam's most holy book, Islam is more political (61%) than religious (39%).
There are 245 verses in the Quran that could be considered "positive verses" about non-Muslims. Every single one of those verses have been abrogated by later, negative verses about non-Muslims. Not one positive verse about non-Muslims is left.
In contrast, there are 527 verses of intolerance toward non-Muslims, and 109 verses specifically advocating violence towards non-Muslims. Not one of these verses has been abrogated.
My conclusion: Non-Muslims who like Islam don't know much about it.
i am absolute agree with osho
i have read quran and born in muslim family
really find rubbish in both
really thanks to osho to come in my life
lov for osho
sajid khan
india
See this
Who Authored the Qur’an?—an Enquiry
Extract:
My colleague was a diehard ‘Tabligi’ (a religious proselytiser) and exhorted me to read the translation carefully. He vouched that after I had comprehended the true messages of the Holy Scripture my life will change for ever—for the better, he insisted. Reluctantly, I started to read the English translation—verse by verse, passage by passage. The more I read, the more I was shocked, disturbed, astonished, bewildered and resentful. I could not believe that a book which is supposed to be the handiwork of the most compassionate, the most merciful and the most forgiving Allah could contain such a terrible amount of hate, terror, call for murder, war, vengeance and most of all a blanket plea for the destruction of all those who do not subscribe to the Qur’anic view of the world. Of course, there were a few verses which were very poetical, beautifully crafted, rhythmic and sometimes rich in spirituality. Apart from those handful ‘good’ stuff I found the vast part of the Qur’an simply nonsensical, and not-to-talk about the those incriminating verses exhorting the believers to murder and wage an unrelenting war (Jihad) against the unbelievers. I started questioning: how could a merciful, compassionate Allah write such a cranky book that is nothing more than a trash and a manual of terror, war and plunder? When my ‘Tabligi’ colleague asked how I was doing with the Qur’an, I simply told him I was doing fine—elaborating further that I discovered plenty of new astonishing materials in the Qur’an which I never thought existed in it. He simply smiled and said, “The Qur’an is wonderful, isn’t it?” I replied, “You said it!”
A few years later, I started to ponder deeply on the Qur’an. Using the works of other translators, as well as the Tafsirs (explanation), I read and re-read the Holy Scripture--several times to make sure that what they translated and explained were absolutely correct. The more I learned about the Qur’an the more I became distraught, disturbed and angry—angry because I felt that I was utterly let down by a killer religion which was imposed on me due to my birth. The stuff I read in the Qur’an jolted me so much that I wanted to find the answer to my perennial question—who really authored the Qur’an? It took me a long time and many years of painstaking work to arrive at the answer of that question.
< "... nothing more than a trash and a manual of terror, war and plunder ..." >
That comment, echoing Osho's own, by someone, a 'freethinker', who was had Islam strictly imposed on him since childhood...
There are a lot of my believers friends of Quran. Most of them I have seen they are abusing OSHO and blaming him with all those charges and propganda that was created by oraganized media of USA. If he is criticising Quran and people doubt about it so lets not talk on the basis of belief but OSHO read 150k book in his life time so think it other way round Can he be stupid enough to judge the quality of wisdom provided in ISLAM, Quran has made its followers following cattles who are just following without posing a question or raising a doubt , they are not doubting it for the heck of not doubting only...it has also created a very self esteem in it`s followers. A religion who cannot take question or doubts...means...have closed any possibility of evolution. Or else why it is so that Islam never offspring any Think tank like Swami Vivekanand, Sri Aurbindo, Gurudgief, Lao tse.....Quran has just created fear in its followers and have made them close minded to take criticism
one who practice idol worship can be worthy of being called a think tank ?? Impossible Impossible Impossible... Their mind is Devil's tank only. Idol worshipping is the biggest sin human could do and its fruit is the terrible Hellfire alone. Don't believe ? then wait and watch.....
Islam says that there is nearly one lakh twenty four thousand Prophets who were sent to earth from time to time by The Almighty Allah, whenever sin increased widely. Adam(a.s.) was the first among them(also the first human on earth) and the last was Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w.) .So Islam is not a new religion. The Holy Qur'an is words of our own creator. When light came and darkness went away is there any place for any argument ? Let Truth Prevail
Well Well Well, things to note:
Islam has mentioned most faiths other than hindu way of life. Why? Hindus had a good cultural life for 1000s of years even before mohammed was born. No knowledge of geography and culture of Mohammed? Ram, Krishna are gods in human form. They behaved like humans to lead us by example. How can you say that god cannot take human form. If he wishes he can do anything. God never said that he will not take human form. It is just islamists perception.
What about yoga? Yoga is the best practice compared to any thing for health. It is proven beyond doubt even by scientists. Why Islam is not having yoga in it if it is complete?
Who forcibly spreads religion and threatens? Islam and few other religions. If someone doesn't like, then you must leave them .. rather than force them or destroy buddha statue etc..ill treat non-followers such as in pakistan. Who attacked mumbai taj hotel? First be human then religion comes ....Stop killing humans and animals....Have no hatred....
Finally,
People should increase knowledge, be compassionate and try not to hurt other beings other than for protection purpose. Further, try to be mostly vegetarian inflicting less damage to animals. I know it is impossible for some to not eat animals due to living conditions. People must grow from animal state to human state i.e., not forcing others for religious beliefs but be compassionate and respect others.
May peace be upon all of us.
Anyone can say anything let alone osho.
Islam has produced hundreds and thousands of Saints and Thinkers far greater than Osho or Vivekanand etc. Islam doesn't need any certificate from them or their followers. SEE how Islam is spreading fast round the globe round the clock..
...can't thy see?
I agree with Osho. Swami Vivekananda also had the same view on Islam.I also read it and share the same views.I liked all the world scripture but Quran makes no sense.
Those who form their opinion without actually finding out themselves are bound ti be disappointed
May be your so called positive opinion about OSHO was also based on heresay
Go back to your forum for the movie enthusiasts and stay entertained and stop trying being enlightened.
islam itself has not beem able to establish peace in muslim world alone,then how it is best religion.internal wars are going in allmost all the muslim countries whether its is iran,iraq,pakisthan,afganisthan,egypt or syria and many more.conflicts and wars is always going inside muslim comunity in itself.countless people have died in conflict between shia and suni.we hardly see conflicts going between hindu and jain,or hindu and buddist,or hindu or sikh.i think people love to live in illusion then facing the reality and truth.that is why realization of truth and reality is possible for few people only.i think islam is in hand of most coward and fearfull people today.arabian countries who don't allow other religions to be practiced in their countries because they knew very well thier religious philosophy is not strong enough to prevent their people getting influnced by other modern philosopies.osho teachings are far beyound the limits of common people mind.when you forcefully try to believe on something you are actually limiting your counciousness and hence your mind will not grow as it should be.therefore it result into a dull mind who foolishly try to justify stupid things like multiple marraige,non-veg on religious occasions e.t.c.
Osho has never written single book.
All books what so ever we have is ditto hard copy of his spoken words, mostly without any edit.
Islam speaks about the ultimate Truth beyond any (rubbish)arguments.
"Osho later said he became spiritually enlightened on 21 March 1953, when he was 21 years old, in a mystical experience while sitting under a tree in the Devtal garden in Jabalpur."
I liked how deep Osho's thoughts were but clearly he was trying to be somebody else - I feel pity for him.
All religions originating from the patriarch Abraham, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, fill me with digust for if they have spread anything it is violence, death and repression. What is especially significant for the stupidity of these religions is that they wage war on each other, not realizing they worship the same God. Islam in particular institutes itself through violence and oppression, proclaiming to be the only truth and threatening all non-followers. Man has existed millions of years before Semitic religions without problems, and cultures outside their influence appear to be less troublesome and violent.
The very belief that Islam is a new religion itself speaks loud about the lack of fundamental knowledge . Did anyone came on earth before the first Prophet in Islam i . e . Prophet Adam(a.s.) ? Dear brother ! Please have proper knowledge before commenting ..... and be brave enough to accept the Truth which alone can free us.
I am muslim and read about Quran,of course i dont understand why islam is a religion of peace.I dont believe it is from Allah.Maybe the Quran is not original anymore but because of political reason they said it is genuine.Please study the quran only will you know what i am talking about.Dont just believe what has been promoted about islam the religion of peace.Know it yourself only then you comment here.
i am a muslim and i like osho way of thinking ,but there are two ways to look at quran ,
1-god talken to you.
2-mohammad wrote it to rule the world.
facts before reading the quran, mohammad lived in society of poetry writers , he did not know how to write or to read , he was known as a good man in he country, when he reached the age of 43 , god sent angel to him , telling him poetry by the words of god ,,telling mankind to how to live, so mohammad started telling his people about this poetry ,his people believed him because they understood how beautiful this poem is ,, and no man could have writen what mohammad is saying ,that is how they believed him ,because of the poem , so its not just a poem ,this poem telling how to live as human , the rules of living make scene , for example , 1-a man marry four , then there will be no woman left without marriage ,2- a man cant beat his wife or even cat , he will go to hell if he burn ants ,,,,,,
so what am trying to say is , dont judge islam on what muslims are doing or of what you see on TV. the quran has the solution to all problems , osho has answer to all questions .life is beautiful just like how osho discribes it, but the thing out of our thinking limit made it , its god
You would mention the last chapter. HA!! everbody read the fourth chapter( the women). Or the second chapter ( the cow). Apply what you can From them and see the daily rubbish disappear.
That's Quran, Chapters 2 and 4; read and apply.
OSHO did not speak on the Qur'an but he did speak extensively on Sufiism and The Sufi order. I will not argue rather or not Sufiism is a branch of Islam but I do know that many consider it the mystical branch of Islam. But OSHO also said that Sufiism was the heart of religion which he called knowing ones own hear watchfully. He said if he only had two books he could carry in his whole life one would be "The Book of Nothing" based on the teachings of Hsin Hsin Ming and the 2nd being "Unio Mystica" discourses on the Sufi mystic Hakim Sanai.
OSHO himself claimed that he would use religions only as a means to get listeners to go beyond them. He wanted people to use the teachings in these religions to actually use them to free themselves of organized religions. So when he spoke on Christ and Christianity in "The Mustard Seed" he was using the words of Christ to get Christians to free themselves of Christ
It's all has to do with the fact that koran is a peace of poesy. It should not be taken literally. About Dzhihad, there'e nothing bad in wars as long as they are reasonable. And people of that time were Atheists and the ones who prayed upon icons and fire. He always tried to come to good terms with Christians and Jews. He states that those are religions as holy as Islam. He was a vehicle, probably totally losing his self, and speaking whatever the unknown bid him to speak...About wars again, those wars were as fair as can be, not the atomic bomb with the click of a single button...Even krishna once said, that you can fight and kill yourself all you want, for your being is immortal..He is known to have went to a war and shooting fireballs with all that siddhis he possesed...That' the faith of all the men like Osho and the prophets...They are bound to become extremely controversial in the eyes of the world..
Qur'an is a book sent from Allah(god)
and Mohammad is the prophet of god
Islam is more wide,big and complete not only a religion but a complete guide for the humanity, and to tell osho and its followers when after reading Qur'an by osho he got to know that this book is the best and complete book that a person like Mohammad(pbuh) can not write that, that's why he said like this, of course osho was right its not a book written by the prophet its a book which has sent by god during 23 years, to be a guide for the people of the world,its not what he said (the opinions of older people) the people living 1500 years ago did not have any idea about planets which is mentioned in Qur'an about how the earth was made(big bang) mentioned in Qur'an and many other things like that, i request those people who don't know about a Islam to please don't follow Osho the (sex guru) sex is a part of life and the rubbish person like him could only think about that kind of things but Islam is more bigger and complete than what u can think of,please search about and become Muslim and have comfortable life for ever in both worlds
check his books about Sufism please
Somebody says I have read some of the books of Osho and they are nice. But when he encounters writings about religions, he automatically dislikes him at once. Why? Because no one wants to see his religion being blamed. No one needs to fight with his God. But the reason is another. The so called holly scriptures don't allow him to read these books. Otherwise there are some ugly words that threaten and frighten the person. If you do this, you will live in heaven forever. But if you don't do, you will be thrown to the fire of hell and you will suffer there forever. You see these ugly words. These scriptures don't need a rebellious mind. They need a mind that does as instructed. All in all these so called holly scriptures are what have put people into misery till this very moment. Put them into fire.
the day when muslims stop referring to non-muslims as kafirs or infidels regardless of what your holy book says is the day islam will be well respected.
Islam starts with Muhammad while Sufisim is 5000yrs old.So islam may be branch of Sufisim,do not think sufisim is branch of ISLAM.
Again most muslims do not try to understand hidden meaning of scriptures even of Quran, they take everything literally.So they go on saying 'Muhammad is last prophet etc etc.'.Muhammad might have said so in context of that region where he used to live , he might have said fearing that any devil may influence again people when he is gone.But Muslims took it too literally. sO MANY MUSLIMS HAVE MODIFIED Quran too.
would that,God would have given osho just a little better mind....holy koran is not a book that you can understand just by reading like any other book,it requires a blessed mind plus modern scientific knowledge..
i really repent for osho`s understanding about holy Koran and i am surprised how a man so called "enlightened man" could not observe the truth in holy Koran..i strongly believe that that holy Koran is beyond his understanding..
any brother or sister want to know THE TRUTH IN holy Koran can just type "MIRACLES OF KORAN" on youtube.. May God bless you all
Islam is poison, nothing more.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” - Voltaire
Six blind men were asked by a king to feel and examine an elephant. The blind men touched and examined different parts and came to different conclusions regarding what the elephant is actually like.
One blind man grabs the tusk and says, “An elephant is like a spear!” Another feels the trunk and concludes, “An elephant is like a snake!” The blind man hugging the leg thinks, “An elephant is like a tree!” The one holding the tail claims, “An elephant is like a rope!” Another feeling the ear believes, “An elephant is like a fan!” The last blind man leaning on the elephant’s side exclaims, “An elephant is like a wall!”
Like the blind men, no religion has the truth. Rather, they all talk about something that they themselves have never seen. Religions describe their personal experience and the spiritual reality they encounter, given various historical and cultural backgrounds. You all trying to prove who is right and who is wrong is just like these blind men.
I agree with u my friend. Ultimately the whole idea of any damn religion of the world is to maintain peace and brotherhood among the people. Then why to fight in the name of any religious book or belief..!!!
Dear friend, every religion is having some dark portion. In Hinduism also there is description of some ancient sages who were very famous in their time, having sex with their daughters and getting a child also..!! So in that sense no religion in the universe is 100 % pure.
They say, Islam is fastest growing religion on earth. But my friend you should truth is always alone, not in crowd. Crowd is always wrong and always do the bullshit. threatening itself is nonhuman and kuran is full of threatening, then how can you say that it is the best religion. Love comes from heart, bliss, happiness not from threatening
Birth, Death, Old Age & Disease are those Laws of nature which are equally applicable to muslims, jews, hindus, sikhs, christians etc
I am not taking religion but commonsense, that all of us are under the same laws, that means if there is any law maker above all of us he is one and the same, we may call him Allah, Lord Bhagwan or what so ever, But our father is one.
Now we humans irrespective of religion receive all benedictions and wordly possessions from same God Like, Wealth, Children, name, fame etc. Now if Allah hates non belivers so mach then why is he awarding them all the benedictions which otherwise should be the Right of Muslims.
Allah or God has made Sun, Moon & etc, if these material things do not discriminate between belivers & non belivers then how the all spiritual Allah can discriminate.
Allah the Source of everything must be above Hankering, a material quality of incomplete beings like us, so why is he hankering for worship & followers so much so as to order the murder of non belivers, Dear Friends please think, all give up hate against on another because we r the children of same father.... .
Osho has very logical answers, but this one did not have any reason on why Quran is bullshit. It just says that it is Bullshit.
Those personalities are not respected in Hinduism. If there is anything wrong in any book, I am free to oppose it. Do you have that option in your Club Islam? Yes Islam is a club and all rules are made for increasing and preserving membership.
Here is a discussion worth attention. With very good arguments against Islam. But it also makes one question how could Osho admire Mohammed and despise his work? ' You shall know the tree by its fruits..' The Koran is an expression of Mohammed's pretense to be the one who knows what God says, though being in constant contradictions with love and reason.Mohammed had many women simultaneously, but if one of them went with another man he might have stoned them to death.
Someone who can stone his wife for leaving him for another has known possession, but not love!
I can imagine, though, that to the vanity of men, Mohammed might have been seducing, for it gave them within certain boundaries of possession of women, access ,to unlimited sex.
Mohammed was indeed inspiring Osho, in this sense, of his being a kind of sultan for a harem, Though Osho's harem was different, It consisted of people he advised not to follow any parental advice, and, similar to nuns, not to marry anyone, but be free to be his disciples and have sex with him!
I have known people who have been living with Osho in his communities, and I have also known Jiddu Krishnamurti in person, who was one of Osho's severe critic.
Mohammed converted also with the sword, not with real wisdom,not with true arguments that make sense to the heart and mind. His unclarity of the mind, in name of a God,has caused a great hysteria of irrational prejudice and hate and blood baths, through centuries. This irrational order to hate and kill for unbelief has caused a hell even among Muslims themselves, .as it happens between Shiia and Sunny Muslims for almost 600 years and for example between Hamas and Isis today..without any more argument than obedience to their leader's command..
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So long as he had not established a state, with his armed security guards, Osho, still converted by arguments, as Mohammed hilmself did in the start, which is far better, Though one would not know what Osho, (if he said he admired Hitler's vision) would have done, once his religion would have actually grown to become a state. A state of people without children or family, or more, a state of children, with himself as the Messias and sultan playboy as the center piece.
I would like his followers be honest about him, and find out the truth about him.
My first question about Osho's techniques, his famous 'dynamic meditations' to be seen even on you tube, which are more like mass hysteria, is this:
Without first questioning and clearing their own hearts and mind, without any justification of reason, fanatic Muslims feel it is their right to express and put out all that negativity of offended pride against others, and even kill others, for their belief.
if you can first clear the mind of the wrong thoughts that create the emotions of hate and fear and despair, then is it really therapeutic or needed to shout all that negativity in you, your deceived emotions to others?
van Chapman
Philosophic Community Project,
Here is the link to this interesting blog:
http://dttj.blogspot.be/2010/06/osho-on-islam.html
I live in Iran and know Muslims very well
they might be kind and passionate but when it comes to Islam they turn into dangerous and bloodthirsty people.Islam made our country an asylum. and have put all of us into prison. evil mullahs now actually prohibiting youngs from loving each and boys and girls with 40 years old still haven't experienced sex and even it is forbidden to have a boyfriend or girlfriend in most parts of this doomed country.
only stupids love this dirty retarded religion.
I do agree with osho on some of articles but not anything about All Quran because its a book of God and I have proof of this....if anyone needed please let us know
As compared to Bhagwatgita and upanishads, Qoran is all rubbish. Please note it was written around 30 days after the demise of beloved Mohammad (pbuh). I suspect a person like Mohammad will say all that written in the book. It warns and threatens nonbelievers.
OSHO said everything what the world needs for its beautification on every dimension of life.OSHO is a vision for present to future humanity.whatever he said is existential... he said, I have trust over this existence.he also said, if u want to know truth Meditate... only u understand my words correctly.Dear friend being neutral try Awareness of self & then read same words.I m sure ur understanding will change for forever.... OSHO is words of silence & better understood in silence only... Be silent, listen ur self.... I m sure u get ur answers.Thank you with lots of love &deep gratitude.
I think osho is not anything but a rubbish person who wants to enjoy his life without any discipline and ethics and later on he attracts people by speaking on controversial topics.....
What and where and in what conditions qoran was composed? Any person who has gone through Quran, translated in his mother toung, will àgree with what osho said. Do any true religion ask his followers to kill every 1 who do not believe in Mohammad and Quran? In fact Quran support every evil act of Mohammad whether it was taking his cousin sister as his wife or marrying a 6 year old girl at an age of 53 or having sex without marriage with a maid of one of his wife. In fact Quran put shutters on innovation and new research and force its followers to live and think in 6 century.
Osho was poisoned while he was in US and it is a miracle that a brave man like him survived that age
Beautiful
“We want to lead mankind to the place where there is neither the Vedas, nor the Bible, nor the Koran; yet this has to be done by harmonising the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran. Mankind ought to be taught that religions are but the varied expressions of THE RELIGION, which is Oneness, so that each may choose that path that suits him best.”
- Swami Vivekananda
Muslims still rooted in their faith even if they they are shown it is wrong .....Osho clearly says Mohammed was illiterate and by comparison to all other teachers he is the most lowest of them all. All abrahamic religions are stupid..I found some muslims dodging the truth by saying that no religion is complete... then why go after religion ? Leave it ...Be free of stupidities , traditions , customs, and all of it .
I found Osho s word s beautiful
Ans osho was poisoned by the americans because he was a threat.
LOVE U OSHO
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Sometimes stupidity of whole thing can be judged by few things. Do you want me to believe that slitting the throat of a goat will make allah happy since he is the creator and very compassionate of all(what a contradiction). Moreover have you seen the eyes of the goat before it's dying those eyes were fears of death. If Allah created the whole universe who created him? Do not say your religion is great and others are crap. Religious texts in general are open to interpretation any way people what thats why there are 2 division one is like ISIS who also take quran as their source and other divisions QURAN is peaceful never advocates violence. You can see the dichotomous nature of the text and how people take it in their own way. Before Muslims and english people came to INDIA our country was flourishing in terms of culture and other things. of course crappy things also happened. To say that ISLAM is the rescue of humanity is BullShit see how many muslims live in the western world because in the heart they knew western world provide better opportunities than their own countries.
If you have the means to research Sufism real history you will find out that it does not originate from Islam but in fact it predates Islam by thousands of years. Islam is what killed most Sufis and what caused Sufis to re-invent the history of their ideology just to stay alive.
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